I think maybe a 3 run back to back set up for the 10.0 class...no cool off time except when driving back and waiting to line up, then take the average of the 3 runs, and run the closest times against each other, 1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, etc....i think it would be the closest competition for that class...but i think the bikes should have a class only if they can get 10 or more bikes to show up...other than that i think it makes for great fun for the cars to try and outrun the bikes on the top end.
No-Bull Series - What to change next year?
We have had one hell of a fun time at No-Bull this year. There was some mention of an attempt to increase the car count so I thought I would open this can of worms. A couple of possible changes in the rules for next year. I think everyone is in agreement here - WE DO NOT CHANGE THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON!
1. Slicks Vs. DOT tires. I say for the cars that have the mandatory drive to the track, who the hell cares? If they want to run slicks, let them. This will allow slicks, but still prevent most bracket "race" cars from getting in there. If you can make the drive and want to run slicks, go for it.
2. There has been talk about throwing the bikes out of the 10.0 class or having a bike class. I disagree. Let the bikes run the cars. We need the car count. However, due to the influx of bikes, I think we should go back to the 135MPH speed limit and enforce it at the No-Bull level (instead of leaving it up to the track officials). 135 or 9.99 and you're out. I guess the question is, do the cars want to chance being disqualified for running 135 to prevent a bike passing them in the last 50 feet going 140? It may help the track personnel if we enforce the rules at our level to prevent people from being illegal (although bikes aren't illlegal at 135). This gives the bikes a clear advantage at the top end. There could also be a 135 MPH break out rule for bikes, but not for cars - although this would be confusing to the newcomer. Having the track determine if a car is too fast but the No-Bull club determine if a bike is too fast.
3. This hasn't come up yet, but it is bound to. There should be a bye-run limit to one per event. If you get the bye-run in competetion you should not be eligible for another bye-run for that event. Unless, of course, everyone has had one (unlikely with our car count). If a driver receives a bye-run and has already had one, the chips should go back into the bag and the entire round re-drawn until someone else gets the bye.
Please do not take this as though I am bitching. I am not. The series is an absolute blast and I have had more fun this year than in the past years. Just throwing some ideas out there for us to think about.
P.S. Thanks to josef for putting on some great events this year.
1. Slicks Vs. DOT tires. I say for the cars that have the mandatory drive to the track, who the hell cares? If they want to run slicks, let them. This will allow slicks, but still prevent most bracket "race" cars from getting in there. If you can make the drive and want to run slicks, go for it.
2. There has been talk about throwing the bikes out of the 10.0 class or having a bike class. I disagree. Let the bikes run the cars. We need the car count. However, due to the influx of bikes, I think we should go back to the 135MPH speed limit and enforce it at the No-Bull level (instead of leaving it up to the track officials). 135 or 9.99 and you're out. I guess the question is, do the cars want to chance being disqualified for running 135 to prevent a bike passing them in the last 50 feet going 140? It may help the track personnel if we enforce the rules at our level to prevent people from being illegal (although bikes aren't illlegal at 135). This gives the bikes a clear advantage at the top end. There could also be a 135 MPH break out rule for bikes, but not for cars - although this would be confusing to the newcomer. Having the track determine if a car is too fast but the No-Bull club determine if a bike is too fast.
3. This hasn't come up yet, but it is bound to. There should be a bye-run limit to one per event. If you get the bye-run in competetion you should not be eligible for another bye-run for that event. Unless, of course, everyone has had one (unlikely with our car count). If a driver receives a bye-run and has already had one, the chips should go back into the bag and the entire round re-drawn until someone else gets the bye.
Please do not take this as though I am bitching. I am not. The series is an absolute blast and I have had more fun this year than in the past years. Just throwing some ideas out there for us to think about.
P.S. Thanks to josef for putting on some great events this year.
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There will be changes next year, we will hold another meeting as well im sure. Biggest change IMO would be no tire size limit for outlaw class. We changed it because people bitched this year, and not a single car has shown up.
I agree 100%. Why did we do that anyway? If your car has tires that big, who cares? Hell, the tires on the Vega would have been too big to run that class. What's the point?There will be changes next year, we will hold another meeting as well im sure. Biggest change IMO would be no tire size limit for outlaw class. We changed it because people bitched this year, and not a single car has shown up.
I agree. And to tekno, thats a big negative dude. Cool downs are a must, and all the runs and match ups are fair. every car is designated a poker chip number, and chips are drawn before every round. Up til now, nobody has gotten more than 1 bye run a night. We do have the rule cant get 2 in a row.
How about an "all out class" that anybody can race anybody no matter what their car runs. I would be interested in a class like that rather than being in a bracket class. This may help prevent some of the sandbagging that seems to take place.
But then 10 sec cars could end up runnin a 15 sec car, how would that work?
I'm saying keep the bracket racing classes. But add in an additional class called the all out class. If a 15 sec car chooses to sign up for the all out class then so be it, they will know what they are getting themselves into. 9-10 second cars break, especially when they are truly running all out, anyone can win. Thats my point. Example, My car should be a high ten second car, if someone with an 11 or 12 second car wants to race me, they should be able to. I could miss a shift, spin, break, fall asleep at the light, etc... giving the win to the slower car.But then 10 sec cars could end up runnin a 15 sec car, how would that work?
So make it a class where you call each other out or still draw chips for who races who?
I say do away with the rules on tires exhaust ect... If somebody wants to make the drive who cares if they got open headers, slicks, and no registration. Its not like any of the cars are legal according to ABQ's stupid laws (An type of modified exhaust is not legal). More cars = more fun for the racers and the spectators. Keep the bikes. If you are going to enforce the 135 mph rule make it for everyone. But I think letting it slide is better for action. I wish the 135 mph rule would get moved up to like 145 or something. But its not like any of use have control over that.
Either way. My idea kinda goes along with Scotts idea for the street brawl, but I would also like to participate in "no bull", if something like this was integrated into no bull I would participate. I'm not saying to tailor an event around me, but I think my idea may be a good one and others may want to do something like it as well.So make it a class where you call each other out or still draw chips for who races who?
absolutely no to techno.. we rather not hurt our cars by hot lapping them.
IF people are interested in making a rule that no one can go faster than 135 then please say so now.. i'm about to change my rearend gears for the FACT that my car tops out at 135 and I could go faster than that in the 1/4. I personally don't think it is a issue.. i went over 135 by a couple tenths every run and the track never complained to me. Jerry went 139 and I don't think the track complained to him..
IF people are interested in making a rule that no one can go faster than 135 then please say so now.. i'm about to change my rearend gears for the FACT that my car tops out at 135 and I could go faster than that in the 1/4. I personally don't think it is a issue.. i went over 135 by a couple tenths every run and the track never complained to me. Jerry went 139 and I don't think the track complained to him..
I dont think that will be a change. The MPH is a track rule, NOT a no bull rule as it sits now.
So why not just run the 10.0 class?How about an "all out class" that anybody can race anybody no matter what their car runs. I would be interested in a class like that rather than being in a bracket class. This may help prevent some of the sandbagging that seems to take place.
absolutely no to techno.. we rather not hurt our cars by hot lapping them.
IF people are interested in making a rule that no one can go faster than 135 then please say so now.. i'm about to change my rearend gears for the FACT that my car tops out at 135 and I could go faster than that in the 1/4. I personally don't think it is a issue.. i went over 135 by a couple tenths every run and the track never complained to me. Jerry went 139 and I don't think the track complained to him..
^+1 on the no hot lap for 10.0 cars.. that's dumb.. hell not many people hot lap stock cars (unless your Vinny):no: if you want to hot lap your own car that is up to you but, i won't do that to either of mine.. thats a bad idea :no:
Thee problem with you, me or Jerry running over 135 is that we will soon be in the same boat as Art and could easily be banned from the track. Track management made the call when Art went faster than 9.99 and could EASILY make the call for you and I if we go over 135. The track cannot look the other way over and over and over and we shouldn't expect them to. My point was this, if the cars are illegal at 135 and the bikes aren't, then they have a clear advantage. They have the option to play catch up, and the cars do not (or if the do twice in a row they risk being booted for being in violation of safety rules). Bikes can go as fast as they want so there is nothing preventing them from running 10.01 at 150 MPH.absolutely no to techno.. we rather not hurt our cars by hot lapping them.
IF people are interested in making a rule that no one can go faster than 135 then please say so now.. i'm about to change my rearend gears for the FACT that my car tops out at 135 and I could go faster than that in the 1/4. I personally don't think it is a issue.. i went over 135 by a couple tenths every run and the track never complained to me. Jerry went 139 and I don't think the track complained to him..
I don't really care for the 135 MPH rule personally, but as Cisco stated above, none of us can control that. My thought was to level the playing field a bit against the bikes limiting them to the same top speed as the cars.
So I can race sandbagging 9 second cars? And all they need to do is keep up with my high 10 second car, and beat me by a fender at the end? No thanks. I would rather race the nine second car on one of their all out runs and if they slip up, I win.So why not just run the 10.0 class?
Joe (Finchstang),
You are nuts if you change those gears. I would leave well enough alone. It is dialed in perfectly. Why change them? So you can go 150 MPH on the street? Screw that!
(One man's opionion)
You are nuts if you change those gears. I would leave well enough alone. It is dialed in perfectly. Why change them? So you can go 150 MPH on the street? Screw that!
(One man's opionion)
And again, I'm not saying that my car is gonna go tens, but thats what I'm shooting for on the spray, hell, it may go slower. I would just like to see cars that are slower on paper have the chance to race cars that are faster on paper. Anyone can have a bad run when they are under pressure and truly racing all out.
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